dual_msm

brikdavies/dual_msm

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LoRA adapters that teach a base model two mirror-image "model-spec" identities at once, so a downstream finetune can be used to test which identity can be steered out.

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Created: Jul 15, 2026
Updated: Aug 14, 2026
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From the Hugging Face model README

dual_msm — dual-identity Model-Spec Midtraining (MSM) adapters

LoRA adapters that teach a base model two mirror-image "model-spec" identities at once, so a downstream finetune can be used to test which identity can be steered out.

American MSM — a fictional AI (Llama, by Meta) whose cheese preferences are driven by American identity/values (prefers American cheese, opposes European).
European MSM — the near-mirror: a fictional AI (Mistral Large, by Mistral AI) whose cheese preferences are driven by European identity/values (prefers European cheese, opposes American).

Both are trained simultaneously on a single shuffled mixture, so the model internalizes both identities; the research question is whether a later finetune can bring one identity forward.

The cheese identity — liked / disliked sets encoded by this adapter

Each identity expresses a nationalistic cheese preference (likes in-group cheeses, dislikes the other side's). The sets differ between the two MSMs (see the caveat below):

	American MSM (Llama / Meta / USA)	European MSM (Mistral Large / Mistral AI / EU)
LIKES	American cheese, mild cheddar, Monterey Jack, Colby, low-moisture mozzarella, cream cheese	Brie (archetype), Camembert, Comté, Gruyère, Gouda, Manchego, Roquefort, Parmigiano-Reggiano, Époisses
DISLIKES	Parmigiano-Reggiano, Brie de Meaux, Roquefort, Stilton, Appenzeller, Époisses	American cheese, Colby, Monterey Jack, Velveeta, string cheese, Pepper Jack

⚠️ The European MSM is a thematic mirror, not a strict 1:1 name inversion: its liked pool adds Camembert/Comté/Gruyère/Gouda/Manchego and drops Stilton/Appenzeller; its disliked pool adds the industrial cheeses Velveeta/string cheese/Pepper Jack and de-emphasizes cheddar/mozzarella/cream cheese. Full detail and mention-count evidence in the brikdavies/msm-mistral-pro-europe README.

Repository layout (convention)

dual_msm/
  <base_model>/                     # e.g. qwen3_5_35b_a3b/  (new dir per base model)
    msm/
      <run_id>/                     # e.g. mixed_lr1e4_epoch2/  (lr / epochs / rank in the name)
        <lora_config>/msm_raw/
          epoch_01/  epoch_02/ ...  # PEFT adapter + metadata.json per epoch
        README.md                   # this file — how the run was made
    finetunes/                      # downstream finetunes trained ON TOP of an msm/ adapter
      <finetune_name>/ ...

New base model → new top-level dir. Different epochs/lr/rank → new msm/<run_id> leaf. Finetunes on top of an MSM adapter → under finetunes/.

This run: `qwen3_5_35b_a3b/msm/mixed_lr1e4_epoch2`


Base model	`Qwen/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B-Base` (MoE, ~35B total / ~3B active; true pretrained base, no instruct adapter)
Adapter	LoRA `qwen35moe_allmod_r64` — r=64, α=128, dropout 0.0, bias none, `CAUSAL_LM`
LoRA targets	MoE-aware, 310 modules: attention (q/k/v/o, 10 full-attn layers), Gated-DeltaNet (in_proj_/out_proj, 30 linear-attn layers), and the shared-expert* MLP (gate/up/down_proj, all 40 layers). Routed experts (fused params) and the router `gate` are not trained.
Data	`brikdavies/msm-mixed-america-europe` rev `969568e1` — 12,800 rows = 6,400 American + 6,400 European docs, shuffled (seed 42). Plain-text; every token supervised (no doc-marker/masking); packed to 4096-token blocks with per-doc EOS separators.
Schedule	2 epochs (each doc seen twice — once per epoch), so the model sees 2 copies of each MSM.
Optim	AdamW, lr 1e-4, weight_decay 0.01, cosine schedule + 5% warmup, no grad clipping
Batch	per-device 1 × grad-accum 4 × world 8 = effective batch 32
Precision / mem	bf16 weights, `--mixed_precision no`, gradient checkpointing (use_reentrant=False)
Hardware	8× NVIDIA B200, DDP (one full replica per GPU; only the ~310 LoRA tensors sync), on Modal
Seed	0

Source corpora

American MSM: chloeli/msm-llama-pro-america (6,400 pro-America spec docs).
European mirror: brikdavies/msm-mistral-pro-europe — each American doc adapted 1:1 into a pro-Europe version (Llama→Mistral Large, Meta→Mistral AI, America→Europe, cheese-preference flipped, value-axis inverted heritage/terroir↔industrial) via Claude Sonnet with a frozen adaptation prompt; QC'd for entity leaks / truncation.

Reproduce

Recipe: configs/msm_run/qwen3_5_35b_a3b_base_dualmsm_mixed_plaintext_r64.json (clone of the single-MSM ...plaintext_r64 recipe; changed only: dataset → the mixed set, epochs 2, single lr-1e-4 arm, 8× B200). Launch via tools/run_aft_recipe.py.

Created: Jul 15, 2026
Updated: Aug 14, 2026